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Oh, you old house, you.

House, you’re always providing me with lots of surprises dismay consternation cuss words entertainment.

Yesterday I moved left-over construction materials that had leaned against a “naked” corner of the house all winter. Once I got everything shifted away, I got distracted by the corner itself.

Long ago (and don’t ask why; this house would make you crazy if you’re the sort of person who asks why) someone cut about 16 inches of the siding and sheathing away from the northwest corner, leaving studs and a section of interior wall exposed. Having too much else to deal with, I simply stapled plastic sheeting over it and let it be.

This is part of the still-uninhabited back of the house, which I’m only now beginning to turn my eyes to. But I had noticed that under the ghastly 4×8 sheets of 1/4-inch fiberboard that pass as siding there appeared to be potentially cool old tongue-and-groove siding/sheathing.

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I started going at that fiberboard cr*p with claw hammer and pry bar. Sure enough, tongue-and-groove wood underneath. Not the prettiest or best quality, and of course it’s all missing from that corner and full of holes from 1970s blown-in insulation. Whether I can use it as a finished exterior wall surface will depend on what I find under the other three sections of fiberboard still to be torn off. Time — and sweat — will tell. But so far, so good. No rot despite years of mistreatment and exposure to the elements.

That bit of labor got me curious about what might be just around the corner. On the north side. Under some even uglier (if that’s possible) fiberboard lap siding.

Here, it took me only about five minutes to discover … well, have a look for yourself:

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Sheesh! The only thing holding up that part of the house seems to be … air. That 2×4 was so hole-y I could crush it by hand. The wood sheathing (not T&G) was just plain gone for the most part. The post on the right looks okay, but then I think that’s because somebody stuck it there much later when they realized the wall was rotting away.

Fortunately, what actually is holding up that corner isn’t air. It’s the interior walls. ‘Cause where you or I today would put drywall, and where budget-minded people of the not-to-distant day this house was built might have put another batch of ghastly fiberboard, the interior walls are, again, tongue-and-groove wood.

The very colorful boards you see closest to the house’s corner in the first photo are beadboard (obviously scrounged from multiple sources, given the variety of colors). The interior wall in that second photo is a combo of more scrounged beadboard and the same type of t&g siding I uncovered on the first wall’s exterior.

So the interior wall on that corner of the house has innate structural integrity. And blessedly, it appears to be rot free.

I didn’t know the interior walls were wood until I started prying at the exterior, because you can’t see from inside. Somebody, sometime, covered the wood with sheets of 1/4-inch plywood.

This is what the inside of that corner looked like shortly after I bought the house (and still looks like today because, other than finishing bleaching the mold off the walls, I haven’t touched that room yet):

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Yeah. Ick. I know.

This part of the house is the biggest remaining challenge. It needs everything: complete replacement of the foundation beams, jacking up, a tear-out of all the interior walls, tear-down of an ill-advised extension, and a total re-plumbing.

The only thing good on it is the roof, and that’s thanks to you. I once considered tearing this back part of the house down entirely. That would have left the house as a studio (no bedroom), which would have been okay. But the only bathroom is in that back section of the house, also, and I never could figure out a way to move/reconstruct the bathroom that wouldn’t be as complicated and expensive as just renovating the existing mess.

This project will take years. I’ll do a lot of it myself, and I’m thinking that the basic structural and plumbing work (hired) can be done for around $6,000. Yes, even the foundation beams. That may sound absurdly optimistic, but I’ve already had foundation work, teardowns, jacking, and rot repair done elsewhere on the house, so while that budget may indeed turn out optimistic, it isn’t as unrealistic as it may sound to those of you who hire pricey experts instead of handymen. Of course, that still leaves the bare stud walls, the floors, and such for me to deal with. But hey, I have the time. And — marginally — I even have the skills.

Better yet, I now have a very cool idea (more on that over the years) on how to turn all that misbegotten, badly thought-out, catastrophically constructed, and now crumbling space into something … well, we’ll just have to wait and see. πŸ™‚

One thing I’m now looking forward to is tearing the plywood off the walls of that bedroom to see whether the goofy melange of beadboard and t&g siding underneath has potential as an arty and unconventional wall treatment.

28 Comments

  1. MamaLiberty
    MamaLiberty April 20, 2015 12:29 pm

    I’m so glad some people can cope with such things. I never could. The only thing I can do with a hammer is bend nails and put large dents/holes in things… and not even that for very long. LOL Thank heaven for hired handymen.

    Good luck with your building, and the arty wall treatment. It will be interesting to see what you come up with. πŸ™‚

  2. Pat
    Pat April 20, 2015 12:48 pm

    I’m amazed you could look at that house originally and see any potential it had! And by the looks of that wood (second photo), I’m surprised you haven’t found termites somewhere.

    That beadboard could be used for the previous ceiling you’ve mentioned, as well as walls.

  3. Claire
    Claire April 20, 2015 12:54 pm

    ML — I’m pretty decent at bending nails and denting things, myself. πŸ™‚ I’m also quite expert at that all-important aspect of DIY home improvement: swearing.

    Pat — No termites that I know of, but there are apparently generations of some type of beetle living in the foundation beams. And there are these little pill bugs, that just looooooove to eat wood the instant it gets wet. I’ve been strongly advised that, as soon as the beams are replaced, I have some serious pest control done.

    I honestly can’t tell you whether or not I saw any potential in the house. What I did see was its $10,000 price tag, gorgeous location, and the opportunity to be (once again) mortgage-free. Even with all the charming “discoveries” since then, I’m still happy. And now, as I look closer, I definitely do see potential — which is already gradually emerging.

  4. Claire
    Claire April 20, 2015 1:15 pm

    Oh yeah. And Pat, I had the same thought about potentially using the beadboard in the ceiling if the walls turn out to just be an ugly mess of different types of wood.

    Plan is to do the ceiling this summer and I have no idea when I’ll get to the work in that bedroom. But now that I have an idea what’s under there, I might just tear off a few bits of the plywood to see what I can see.

  5. Andrew
    Andrew April 20, 2015 1:39 pm

    The good thing with these old houses is that nothing is ever square, level, plumb, or true. When we were finally able to start the work on our house, it relieved a lot of pressure on me just knowing that perfection simply isn’t realistically attainable. Workmanship that might be called “amateur” or “ham-fisted” in a newer house is forgiven as “quirk” or “character” because our house is about as old as Napoleon.

  6. RustyGunner
    RustyGunner April 20, 2015 2:11 pm

    I know where I might be able to score an old Jeep windshield for the full “Crocodile Dundee cabin” look.

  7. just waiting
    just waiting April 20, 2015 2:51 pm

    Claire, I’m really thankful for the stories of your experiences with House.

    We’re coming back out next week, this time to settle on something and start the moving process. (note: C took your advice, and her 1st check on a property is the tsunami zone map!) Some of the houses we’re considering are in need of various amounts of repair and update, and from your tales I see there’s a whole different set of issues/conditions than what I’m used living just east of PA.

  8. Kent McManigal
    Kent McManigal April 20, 2015 2:55 pm

    Just imagine the tourists in a hundred years or so, flocking to your house to see where Claire Wolfe once lived- and buying pot holders, refrigerator magnets, books, and holsters in the gift shop in one of those rooms. I can see it so well…

    Conservators might even paint on fake mold, using the picture above as a guide, for authentic atmosphere.

    Be sure to hide things in the walls to surprise the renovators and conservators. (I always do, but just to entertain some future occupant or demolition crew.)

  9. Pat
    Pat April 20, 2015 3:13 pm

    And I was just imagining 20 years from now when Claire would be sitting and rocking with a shotgun across her knees, daring eminent domain to come and take β€œthe house that Claire rebuilt.”

  10. Iwoots
    Iwoots April 20, 2015 10:17 pm

    Claire, all I can say is that by taking on such a project…you are a better man than me. {Yeah, that sounded better in my head, but the little voices said that I should post it as a way to hopefully encourage you; and I have learned not to disobey the little voices. πŸ™‚ }

  11. Karen
    Karen April 21, 2015 5:45 am

    Thank you Claire! Your pics and story make my job of decluttering and clearing out of our house seem ridiculously mundane. Thankfully we have no structural issues to deal with, just clutter and 20 years of dirt, dog hair and woodstove soot of varying degrees.

    I wish I could share some of my mad skills with you, but building this house totally burned out both me and DH. Maybe I could at least send you one of my favorite t-shirts, “I’m fluent in 3 languages, English, Sarcasm and Profanity.” Just in case you run out of profanities along the way.

  12. Claire
    Claire April 21, 2015 8:25 am

    Andrew — What a great point of view. You’ve just inspired me to start composing a new blog post on your theme.

    RustyGunner — I think I’ll be glad at the moment that I’ve forgotten that part of “Crocodile Dundee.” πŸ™‚

    just waiting — Checking tsunami maps is good! But I don’t think you have to worry too much about running into similar house “issues.” Oh, for sure Rot R Us here in the northwest, but any house you find will surely not have been either so misbegotten or so neglected for so long!

    Kent and Pat — OMG, I love it (especially the sitting-with-shotgun bit; have I ever mentioned that something like that was one of the first visions I had about my future, back when I was in junior high?). And hiding stuff in the walls for later finding … very good. I must do that.

    lwoots — Don’t worry. I appreciate and understand quite well. πŸ™‚

    Karen — I’ll take that t-shirt!!! But as to the relative PITA-ness of what you’re doing now and what I’m doing, heck, I prefer dealing with rot to de-cluttering, any day. (Unfortunately, since the back of the house has been used for storage for two years, I now have to seriously de-clutter and find places for all that cr*p before I deal with the rot, bad layout, weird plumbing, and other issues. But at least I’m not on any time schedule, as you are.

  13. MamaLiberty
    MamaLiberty April 21, 2015 9:15 am

    Oh Karen, I’m going to paint up half a dozen T-shirts with that saying… If they turn out OK, I’ll send you one, Claire. πŸ™‚ Email with your size…

  14. Joel
    Joel April 21, 2015 11:31 am

    ML, if you actually do that you’d best let the rest of us know! Me want, too!

  15. MamaLiberty
    MamaLiberty April 21, 2015 12:19 pm

    Ok, Joel. I’ve put the paint and shirts on my shopping list. πŸ™‚ Will let you know if any turn out to be fit to wear. Hmmm… freehand or stencil? So many choices. LOL

  16. Claire
    Claire April 21, 2015 12:25 pm

    LOL, ML — It’s a great idea, but if the whole world (beyond Joel and me) plans to line up for them, you should charge for the shirts, for sure.

    I’m a size L, but you’ve already done too many things for me. If you make the shirts, let me buy one.

    BTW, I vote for stencil, both for consistency of results and because stencil (if you use the standard type of stencil lettering) just screams attitude.

  17. Wendy
    Wendy April 21, 2015 12:44 pm

    Claire, I just read your 2009 blog post about learning to love the high desert. I moved to Orange County from Seattle in 2013. My husband and I are starting to look to northern San Diego County for future land and a tiny home for weekends and maybe retirement (maybe a container home). I googled “living in the high desert” and your article was the first link. It really made me laugh since I have all of the same impressions. I have spent enough time in the desert to know it’s not meant for human habitation. The real estate is so cheap though. We drove to the Salton Sea because I read about it in “I Feel Earthquakes More Often Than They Happen” by Amy Wiltenz, who moved to SoCal from NYC. We then explored the Anzo-Borrego Desert area. I wasn’t sure about “high desert” since I would like to get some elevation for cooler weather – we discovered an area along S2 (closest town to the west is Warner Springs), elevation 3,000 feet. Big difference I think. I do not want the weather extremes you described in your post. Or to have to wear a gun, I guess. Thanks for writing it and helping other PNW’ers determine where they can survive or not!

  18. MamaLiberty
    MamaLiberty April 21, 2015 1:15 pm

    That’s great, Karen! Much better all around, actually. I just got done pricing shirts and paints… and they’d run about $30. each with postage.

    Let’s all get one at Amazon! YAY

  19. Karen
    Karen April 21, 2015 1:23 pm

    And, lest she get 100, Claire is already covered. πŸ˜‰

  20. MamaLiberty
    MamaLiberty April 21, 2015 2:10 pm

    Cool, Karen. For all of us who want to get one and make sure some pennies fall into Claire’s piggy bank, use the Amazon link at the top of the main page to go to the shopping site. Plug in “Languages-English-Sarcasm-Profanity” to the search bar there and then make your selection. You can get it from Karen’s link, but it won’t credit Claire… anyway, I think that’s the way it works.

  21. Claire
    Claire April 21, 2015 2:31 pm

    Wendy — What a delightful comment. I hope you find just what you’re looking for in your not-too-high desert. I loved the culture down there and was dazzled by the sheer rawness of nature in the desert. But as you’ve seen, I fled back to the green NorthWET, and here I stay.

  22. Claire
    Claire April 21, 2015 2:52 pm

    ML — True. Either the link I just posted or the one at the top of the blog will work. But the link an individual copied while shopping via my links won’t credit my account. Thanks for looking out for my interests.

  23. Karen
    Karen April 21, 2015 3:56 pm

    “the link an individual copied while shopping via my links won’t credit my account.”
    Well just darn! I didn’t know that and am glad to find out. thanks for the info.

  24. Paul Bonneau
    Paul Bonneau April 21, 2015 4:00 pm

    Haven’t run into any carpenter ant nests yet, Claire?

    Rot is how the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics manifests itself in this country. I prefer the east side of the Cascades, myself. I’m fed up with rot.

    BTW, if you are thinking of hiring out the plumbing, you might try the following: buy a piece of half-inch CPVC pipe and a few joints, some purple primer and some joint cement. Play with your new toys, by cutting and gluing, just for practice. You may discover plumbing is way overpriced once you figure out how to do it. The drain lines are a bit more complex than the supply lines (because you have to factor in gravity) but still not too bad. A simple bathroom should be a breeze.

    Plumbing and electrical are not bad. Finish work on the other hand…

    [The good thing with these old houses is that nothing is ever square, level, plumb, or true. ]

    I used to say that there is not a single right angle in the entire city of Paris. Yet people live in buildings that have been around since before Napoleon. Right angles are unnatural. Shun them. πŸ™‚

  25. Claire
    Claire April 21, 2015 5:03 pm

    Paul — Oh yeah. Carpenter ants. I forgot to mention the carpenter ants. Those, too.

    As to plumbing, I’ve connected PVC pipes before. But we’re dealing here with an entire house that needs to be re-plumbed. When the bathroom gets moved, every bit of plumbing in the whole structure gets removed and replaced. I’ve got old galvanized pipe that in one instance literally came apart in someone’s hands. And other major problems. Nope, not a job for an amateur. It’s a long day’s work for a real plumber, where it would be weeks in the mud under the house for me with no guarantees that I wouldn’t make some awful mistake. Thanks but no thank you on the plumbing advice.

    Finish work, though, that I can handle.

  26. Ellendra
    Ellendra April 21, 2015 10:05 pm

    “Right angles are unnatural. Shun them”

    I’m picturing the heart attack my dad would be having if he read that. He’s the city building inspector, and so slide-rule that he won’t even use old newspapers to line the bottoms of a raised garden.
    (Seriously, he bought a brand-new roll of paper just for the bottom of the garden bed.)

    I might have to build a wonky house just to drive him crazy >:)

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