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  1. Joel
    Joel October 31, 2012 8:46 am

    I had to read three news items on this topic before I found any mention of whether the cop was “disciplined” at all.

    Essentially, no.

  2. David
    David October 31, 2012 8:50 am

    Probably a valuable lesson for the kids. Especially if the tasee’s parents get a settlement.

  3. Roger
    Roger October 31, 2012 9:06 am

    I think he just wanted to go one better than our ( UK ) cop who tasered an blind OAP because he thought the White stick was a samurai sword!!

  4. Johnathan
    Johnathan October 31, 2012 9:12 am

    While I’m usually skeptical of the accuracy and completeness of most news accounts, I’m trying very hard to imagine any reasonable scenario that starts with “career day” and ends with “10 yro tased.”

    Either it was an accident, in which the officer used extremely poor judgement and negligence, or it was intentional. Hopefully the civil lawsuit will bring more justice than the police internal investigation.

  5. Joel
    Joel October 31, 2012 9:29 am

    Either it was an accident, in which the officer used extremely poor judgement and negligence, or it was intentional.

    The cop apparently claimed to have pulled the trigger accidentally. No word on what the taser was doing out of its holster in the first place.

  6. Joseph Ratliff
    Joseph Ratliff October 31, 2012 9:31 am

    From the article:

    “Following the May 4. incident, Webb, who claims he accidentally discharged the Taser, was given only a three day suspension.”


    It doesn’t matter if it was poor judgment or intentional… this shouldn’t have happened under the circumstances present (so long as ALL of the circumstances were presented in the article).

  7. Claire
    Claire October 31, 2012 9:32 am

    Jonathan — Agreed. It’s really hard to imagine even the biggest thug cop deliberately tasing a kid under those circumstances. Somehow, it’s even scarier to contemplate that a “normal” cop considered it appropriate to point a weapon at a kid while “joking” about the requirement for absolute obedience to authority. That the goon apparently fired by accident is just violent icing on an already putrid cake of statist authoritarianism. The term poor judgment barely begins to cover the implications.

    Three days suspension. Faugh. The man should never have any job with any greater authority than burger flipping. It’s galling that such creatures are so useful to the state.

  8. WolfSong
    WolfSong October 31, 2012 9:53 am

    Seems to me his gun should accidentally go off, while pointed at his own face.
    Also seems to me, that were it my Kid, I’d be hard pressed to not get arrested for showing that cop what a civilian taser can do. I’ve always been curious whether being tased while standing in a puddle of water changes the outcome for the tased one…seems like a good candidate to experiment on.

  9. Johnathan
    Johnathan October 31, 2012 9:54 am

    I was taught never to point my gun at someone unless I intended to shoot him. So it’s actually not that surprising that once the cop pointed the taser at the child, reflexes might take over and he fired, even though it was “unintentional.”

    That’s why you never point a gun at someone unless…

    Yes, Claire, the scary part is why someone would feel the need to “teach a lesson in obeying police with weapons drawn” to a 10 yro at a school function.

  10. ILTim
    ILTim October 31, 2012 10:46 am

    ‘Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.’

    I only use my middle finger because I cant shoot them on sight.

  11. clark
    clark October 31, 2012 11:04 am

    …Just another day on Mars, the planet of war.

    Or is this, Bizarro World?

    When worlds collide?

    Whatever; the beatings Will continue until moral improves.
    Is that state love?

    Ah, I see now, the cop was just showing affection the way only the state can.
    Don’t you see? The world Needs more love,… state love.

    How I didn’t see this before I don’t know. *S

  12. Pat
    Pat October 31, 2012 11:12 am

    ‘Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.’

    Well, it was career day, guys. What better way to show the kids how police work, hmm?

  13. Kevin Wilmeth
    Kevin Wilmeth October 31, 2012 11:51 am

    Why must every day be a choice between letting the rage get the better of you (at the risk of becoming even just a little bit of what you behold), and a willful (and psychically expensive) act of restraint to let it pass?

    I don’t think I’m on the verge of losing my angst any time soon, but the “if not for this, when in the holy hell will it be ‘time’?” question sure does nag. That Rubicon–that moral Rubicon–was crossed long ago now, and when I advise myself and others that it’s still not ‘time’, it can feel a bit…flaccid. If there is any more difficult test of my personal commitment to the ZAP, I have not yet encountered it.

    And isn’t that ironic? We often note, about authoritarians (especially the not-self-aware authoritarians), that they do not understand the difference between aggression and defense…and yet one could argue that they understand perfectly, and simply and cynically count on our indefinitely continued politeness. Joel has observed before that if they really think “we” are as dangerous as they say they think “we” are, they’d probably be a lot more polite. (I also like to think that there may be a flip side to that observation, too. Somewhere.)

    For anyone who fully understands Jeff Cooper’s mindset teachings*, you may also find the following observation to be…interesting.

    It seems clear enough that the Only Ones and their apologists have not thought the matter through fully. Most of us have heard observations about there being far more of “us” than of “them”, and that if the public ever does decide to lash back against the abuse it probably really will leave a mark beyond anything they might be bitching about now… Also, consider that increasingly, the Only Ones are showing a preference for the easily domitable: kids, elderly, infirm, etc. At the same time, they make it perfectly clear that they don’t want to mess with anyone who might actually have teeth, and remind us that in the name of “officer safety” they may simply refuse to do the job that most people think they’ve been hired for (or, they’ll just kill all the ‘perps’ and tell the public about their ‘crimes’ after they’re not around to defend themselves). Just watch: this cycle of hands-washing is growing more entrenched by the day.

    This is the psychological attitude of someone in Condition White, isn’t it?

    On the other hand, consider all the committed ZAPsters out there, who carefully note each atrocity as it happens, grit their teeth and contemplate Claire’s most famous observation. These are people who quite purposefully and carefully have thought about what they might and must do in the event of one or more unpleasant scenarios.

    Whether they know the terms or not, these folks are already in Yellow, and understand how to shift into Orange and Red when the time comes.

    Sure, there’s probably a lot fewer of these than there are the thugs and apologists, but the quality per customer just may offset a great deal of that. All other things being equal, the participant more likely to win a fight is the one who first recognizes that a fight is on.

    Interesting thought…

    * Cooper’s color codes are not about “threat level”, but about overcoming the natural human reluctance to use lethal force against another person. He observed that most people who die by violence do so in a state of complete astonishment–“this can’t be happening to me, here, now”–and so presented the combat mindset as a framework by which one could recognize a concrete lethal threat (not “someday” but “today”, not “someone” but “that guy”) enough to be able to actually make use of whatever lifesaving tools might be available at the moment of truth…rather than needing that critical moment to grapple with the very fact of its happening.

  14. Kevin Wilmeth
    Kevin Wilmeth October 31, 2012 11:56 am

    Pat: buh-zing! 🙂

    My first reaction to the story, the gut one, was much more drab than that: well, sh!theads, which one is it, incompetence or malice? Because it can’t be neither: either it was an inexcusable violation of three of the Four Rules–all at the same time–or it was an inexcusable application of potentially lethal force for absolutely no crime whatever.

    The snark is better. 🙂

  15. Mac the Knife
    Mac the Knife October 31, 2012 1:54 pm

    The following thought has been on my mind for quite awhile now, especially when I read stories like this. When will it be time to just shoot the bastards – in self-defense?

    Reminds me of “The Liberty Tree” by Mark Donges on written in July 2001.

  16. Ellendra
    Ellendra October 31, 2012 3:19 pm

    “I don’t think I’m on the verge of losing my angst any time soon, but the “if not for this, when in the holy hell will it be ‘time’?” question sure does nag. ”

    Chances are, the time has probably been decided, it’s the place and the strategy that have yet to be determined.

    Or, put another way, we know the who, when, and why, but we have yet to see the where and the how.

    Never let your opponants choose the battleground.

  17. MamaLiberty
    MamaLiberty November 1, 2012 6:26 am

    Where in hell was this child’s mother, let alone his father? Why wasn’t this cop taken down and beaten within an inch of his life by the MOTHERS present for this little horror show?

    Why was this child put into a position to be tortured and damaged by this copscum thug in the first place? Good old “public school?”

    Why do so many women spend their entire lives emasculating their husbands and sons, and creating helpless victims of their daughters? And that didn’t just start last generation…

    Why in hell are so many people seemingly content to be helpless victims – regardless of who the predator might be or what sort of costume he/she wears? Why are people so damned stupid?

  18. Laird
    Laird November 1, 2012 11:09 am

    I’m with WolfSong. If it were my kid I’d be waiting until after the civil suit ends (and I get my judgment) and then the cop would have a mysterious “accident” somewhere.

  19. JWG
    JWG November 3, 2012 5:20 pm

    The pig claims to have accidentally fired the tazer. He is lying. There is no such thing as accidentally shooting somebody. The person on the trigger end is responsible for any and all actions he/she performs with the weapon, to include where it is pointed, whether or not the trigger is squeezed, and everything that any projectiles or energy affect until they come to a complete and total stop.

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