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  1. Mark Matis
    Mark Matis January 17, 2015 6:35 am

    I see there is apparently a lot of Sipsey, War, and Max in Washington state. Good to see there are some others there as well, though.

  2. Pat
    Pat January 17, 2015 6:48 am

    I look at those cops, and I just know what would be happening if there were no firearms in the crowd. There would be tasing, pepperspraying, beating, arresting, maybe shooting — all on the strength of the crowd yelling and challenging. But those cops are afraid of firearms, they aren’t going to get into a shooting match with people unafraid to shoot back. Just as it was at Bundy’s.

    That makes them bullies — and it shows who the aggressors really are. It also shows why firepower must always be met with *equal or greater* firepower.

  3. KenK
    KenK January 17, 2015 8:27 am

    Win the battle and lose the war. Go watch the Malcolm X (1992) movie. When the NYPD brutalized an arrestee MX had a large group of Blk Muz line up in perfect rank and file in front of the police station, all in perfect order and surrounded and blockaded the preceint until their people could check on the arrestee’s condition. Far more moving, inspiring and to the cops, threatening, IMO. These guys just scare people. They play into every stereo type of unhinged luntantic that the Olympia based media serves up. Just sayin’.

  4. Joel
    Joel January 17, 2015 9:01 am

    I dunno; color me torn. I agree and disagree with both sides.

    On the one hand, we’ve seen where compromising with fanatics gets you. You “compromise” on the way UP, not down. On the other hand, is it a good idea to display your long guns to your oppressors when you don’t plan to use them? I’m reminded of those idiots in California who thought they could get anywhere by trotting around with unloaded guns, or the Open-Carry Texas demonstrators and all the fine results they got from scaring the white people in stores. I sympathize with the no-compromise folks’ cause, but question their technique.

    Prediction: What the demonstrators did legally will in very short order become illegal. Win?

  5. Jim B.
    Jim B. January 17, 2015 10:01 am

    I think the politicians are going to do what they want and to protect themselves. They’ve always had a history of backstabbing the people they supposedly represents.

    I also think they will use this “movement” as justification for any additional gun control laws. I also think they’re trying to become NY as far as guns go.

  6. Steve Ramsey
    Steve Ramsey January 17, 2015 11:34 pm

    If Alan Gottlieb had been just a little more conciliatory towards the more stiff necked in the gun rights movement, a little more inclusive and a little less controlling, maybe those folks wouldn’t have shown up at all.

    Alan Gottlieb is creating his own credibility problems, and this is the result. Armed civil disobedience. Not directed at the state, but nothing less that a blatant attempt to derail Alan’s deal making tendencies. Alan cut them out of the equation, and they simply reinserted themselves. If he lacks the ability to be introspective enough to see that he is losing support from staunch 2nd amendment advocates, and alter his thinking or at least measure his statements as to not dismiss them, he will see more of the same.

    And rightfully so. Because ALAN Gottleib, for all the good he does, never earned the right to be the final arbiter of anyone’s rights. He practically forced the appearance of that radical contingent, because while he knows how to speak to politicians and the media, he hasn’t a clue as to how to communicate with actual gun owners. It as if he’s on a cloud, or another planet sometimes.

    Ordinary gun owners just don’t get invited to the same parties as Alan Gottlieb.

  7. KenK
    KenK January 18, 2015 8:04 am

    Thanks for this kooks. Played right into their hands.

  8. Paul Bonneau
    Paul Bonneau January 18, 2015 9:39 am

    Oh, dear. No more guns in the Senate gallery. What a hit on RKBA!

    Not…

    This debate reminds me of the quote by Heinlein:
    “Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”

    Liberty is messy. Get over it. Yeah, maybe some people don’t “do it right”. Oh, well!

    I suspect all the nit pickers will be the first to turn all their guns in when/if the ruling class decides to get frisky. Wouldn’t want to offend the opinion-shapers, would we? You can see how their “reasoning” works, and where it will end up – in surrender.

    The OC folks, on the other hand, will not. Guess which side I prefer?

  9. Claire
    Claire January 18, 2015 11:23 am

    “Thanks for this kooks. Played right into their hands.”

    Thanks for this, Alan Gottlieb. Played right into their hands by dividing so they could conquer.
    http://www.redstate.com/diary/rcstrang/2013/07/15/when-gun-rights-protections-really-arent/

    Thanks for this, too, Gottlieb.
    http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/15/gun-advocate-alan-gottlieb-supports-toomey-manchin-based-on-bad-information/

    I’m not sure carrying long guns into the Capitol was a great idea (though it IS a great idea to let legislators know a thing or two about who’s supposedly in charge). I’m dead, solid positive that allowing opposition to I-594 to be led by Vidkun Quisling and Neville Chamberlain is an even worse idea.

    I agree with Steve Ramsey that, at least in part, the “crazies” are responding to Mr. Gottlieb-Quisling and Ms Chamberlain-Hicks’ attempts to pretend to be the leading advocates for gun rights while selling the rest of us out.

    http://www.patrickhenrysociety.com/myth-wa-gun-rights-groups-adina-hicks-alan-gottlieb/

  10. LarryA
    LarryA January 18, 2015 4:25 pm

    Oh, dear. No more guns in the Senate gallery. What a hit on RKBA!

    Well, no. What I read indicated hat concealed carry has not been banned, only open carry. The senate already has rules about carrying signs, etc. for political demonstrations, and this is more of the same.

    I don’t know about Washington, but in Texas OCT is threatening FRENDLY representatives and demonstrating in GUN-FRIENDLY restaurants. TSRA and TCHA, who know how to lobby the Legislature, have successfully passed pro-gun bills in every session since 1993 and blocked the anti-gun bills. Yet OCT is all about “confronting” and “holding their feet to the fire.”

    It’s like punching your friends in the face, then expecting them to spring for lunch.

    Unfortunately OCT has a bad case of ear-lock, which keeps them from learning anything from what you call the “nitpickers,” and also isn’t willing to learn from their own mistakes.

  11. Paul Bonneau
    Paul Bonneau January 20, 2015 9:29 am

    [in Texas OCT is threatening FRENDLY representatives and demonstrating in GUN-FRIENDLY restaurants.]

    There are actions that are moral, and actions that are not. There are actions that are stupid, and actions that are not. There are actions by provocateurs, and actions by ordinary people. We don’t have to either defend both, or reject both, just because they both have the “OC” label on them. What OCT is doing sounds nuts to me (assuming I understand the essence of their actions). And counterproductive. But that’s not the same as what is happening in Washington state.

    I don’t even completely reject legislative or other political action; sometimes it works out OK. It just has the unfortunate tendency to sap the will of people when legislative action fails – they think the only legitimate way to liberty is through the legislature, when that is almost the worst possible way.
    http://strike-the-root.com/begging-masters-for-liberty

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