First time commentor Larry L wrote the other day:
I’m not sure what to think about this stuff every time somebody does a multiple murder with a gun.
Everybody trots out their well developed positions with their talking points and talk past each other. The people who are scared of big fierce looking black rifles want all the guns confiscated etc. The people who have their fierce black rifles will only give them up from their cold dead hands etc. Okay, everybody has made their point(s).
There are still x number of people in a theatre/classroom/church/someplace that aren’t coming home today and what are we as a society or civilization going to do about it? I don’t have the answer but shouldn’t we at least ask the question.
Not to single you out, Larry L, but I suspect that a lot of people who don’t believe they have a dog in the gun-rights hunt ask themselves questions like this when these horrible mass shootings hit the news. So I’d like to try to answer your question, which I’ve bolded up there.
First of all, define “we as a society.”
What is “we as a society or civilisation”?
Is it government?
Is it non-governmental organizations acting in concert with government?
Is it the media? Schools? Churches? Civic groups? Think tanks? Individuals? All of the above?
Outside of rhetoric, there is no “we as a society” to act in concert on any given issue. On the contrary, there’s all too often some interest group or groups, backed by self-interested movers-and-shakers who think they know what’s best, and nearly always using government as a tool, that pretends to act for “society.” The result is “solutions” that are imposed by force, or by pressure from above, that at best don’t help and more often make matters worse.
Translation of “We as a society”: “there, there, government will take care of it.”
Doesn’t work.
You and me and thee and we as “society”
But what about “society” simply meaning the aggregate of the individuals?
Certainly “we” have amazing influence over events (and each other) even when “we” as individuals have little. From what color car is “in” this year to whether we patronize certain businesses to how we regard gays or blacks or Christians (or gay black Christians!), “we” routinely change the course of society by our individual choices.
Do “we” encourage creepy killers like the ones that struck in Roseburg, Sandy Hook, and Aurora by publicizing their deeds? Well, maybe. But how else would “we” handle this? Lately “we” — meaning bloggers — have joined a trend not to name them. But would you really want the media not to publish their names? First moment the New York Times or USA Today decided not to print the name of some spree killer “we” (bloggers again) would be yelling, “Cover up!”
Could “we” — meaning people who know and associate with the little malcontents who become mass killers — do more to prevent their rampages? That’s complicated, isn’t it? Their own mothers and fathers fail them (usually repeatedly, for years). Other relatives, teachers, social workers, psychiatrists, et al. fail to prevent them from going over the edge (and it appears psychiatrists, with their busy prescription pads for mind-altering meds, help drive them to the brink).
Could “we” — meaning the classmates, fellow church congregants, neighbors, etc. of would-be mass killers — turn them from their course with kindness? Or social pressures? But time and again, the killers turn out to be people who can’t read the social signals that help keep the rest of us within civilized limits. They take offense at everything. They perceive rejection everywhere. They nurse so many resentments that nobody can get close enough to hope to change their minds. Or worse, they are robotically self-programmed — and still beyond reach.
So if there’s a “we” who can be relied on to influence these little creeps away from murder, who is it? And how should they act?
The other “we”
Of course, there’s another “we” that makes up society. It’s just us, going about our ordinary lives, making choices we perceive to be beneficial.
That “we” does a lot of things to prevent crime. First, we don’t commit crime (at least not real crimes, though we certainly routinely break laws, intentionally or otherwise). Second, we guard against harm. We put locks on our doors. If we perceive a need, we install alarm systems and surveillance cams. We avoid situations and people known to be dangerous, and if we must go into bad situations, we’re watchful and behave in ways to minimize the danger.
Increasingly, millions of us know how to handle firearms and carry them routinely (thanks in great part to activists who worked to remove artificial, governmental restrictions on that freedom). And — lo and behold! — despite public perception that crime is rampant, crime has actually been decreasing since the 1970s. Is it decreasing because we’re so much ready to protect against it, these days? You could argue that all day. But it’s a fact that people are taking responsibility to be guardians.
Intractable problems and the media
On those “x number of people in a theatre/classroom/church/someplace that aren’t coming home today” … have some perspective.
Every one of their deaths is a tragedy for them and those who care about them. It’s a tragedy for those who have to witness the horror and those who have to live with the aftermath. But why do you care less about the many more people who were murdered in Chicago last month? Why do you care less about the shocking number of people shot by U.S. cops every year? (Many are unarmed, which doesn’t mean some aren’t dangerous, but state attacks on individuals is still a fearsome trend.) Why aren’t you calling for “we as a society” to do something about the grotesque toll of medical malpractice or the 100,000 or so who die every year from adverse reactions to prescription drugs?
Why are you not inflamed with rage that governments in California are only now — after 1,500 deaths! — trying to prevent suicides on the Golden Gate Bridge?
In short, it’s because you’re being manipulated by the media. Nine dying by gunfire trumps hundreds, or hundreds of thousands, dying by less visible means. Or dying at the hands of government.
This idea that everything can somehow be made perfect is a political one and a religious one. In the real world, things can be made better or worse, but never perfect.
Perfect security and safety are the chimera of our age and a great excuse for tyranny.
You hear repeatedly that the U.S. has one of the highest rates of “gun violence” in the world. But the truth is, the U.S. has the very undramatic rank of 91st in the world’s toll of annual murders.
Oh yeah, it ain’t about black rifles.
It’s funny that Larry L would write, “The people who are scared of big fierce looking black rifles want all the guns confiscated etc. The people who have their fierce black rifles will only give them up from their cold dead hands etc.” Because other than a few hold-out antis who never got the memo that their 10-year ugly-gun ban had zero effect on crime, even our worst opponents aren’t going on about EBRs any more.
But again, this isn’t to signal out Larry L in particular. It’s just another way that people on the outside misperceive what goes on in a power struggle they’re not part of.
And power is what it’s about. It wasn’t about Evil Black Rifles even when it was about Evil Black Rifles. It was never about, and will never be about “handgun control” or “universal background checks” or “closing the gun-show loophole” or “high-capacity magazines” or “keeping the mentally ill from getting guns.”
It’s about control. And for the “we as a society” that craves to manage the rest of us, power actually feeds on horrors like mass killings.
For the “we as a society” who just want to live our lives it’s a different story. That’s why so many are re-assuming the duty of self-defense.
Yes, freedom activists and control-bent elitists talk past each other. So what? We’re not talking to each other. Michael Bloomberg isn’t trying to persuade Wayne LaPierre and Larry Pratt isn’t trying to persuade Josh Sugarman. Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea aren’t trying to persuade Shannon Watts. That’s not the point.
The only point is: Which course is most likely to produce the freedom that enables us to create both happy individual lives and a civilization to sustain them?
Fact: Government could lock us all in cages and some people would still find ways of hurting others. Don’t be fooled by media reports and the temptation to think that “we as a society” — meaning “they, the government” can compel perfection. Be free and do your own bit to improve lives.

Wow, Claire, you hit it out of the park with that one!
[But why do you care less about the many more people who were murdered in Chicago last month?… or the 100,000 or so who die every year from adverse reactions to prescription drugs?]
Not to mention the vast numbers of people killed every year by the US government in its imperialistic outrages. How many Iraqis are dead, due to the actions of the same agent Larry is (apparently) positing to save lives in these school shootings?
People should put a sign on their TV sets, that reads, “YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED” – just to remind themselves what is going on every time they listen to the “news”. Guess what Larry? The ruling class DOES NOT CARE when people die. If you hear them saying they do, they are lying.
“How many Iraqis are dead, due to the actions of the same agent Larry is (apparently) positing to save lives in these school shootings?”
Thank you, Paul. To keep my blogosaurus from growing even more vast, I decided to stay within U.S. borders. But you’re certainly right about that. (To be fair, Larry L didn’t specify that he wanted government to act (and you covered that with your “apparently”); that’s just what “we as a society must do something” nearly always ends up meaning.)
“There are still x number of people in a theatre/classroom/church/someplace that aren’t coming home today and what are we as a society or civilization going to do about it?”
Taking him literally… I suppose we could make offerings to Cthulhu and the Old Ones and beg for their resurrection.
Sorry; had to get that out of my system. It’s sad, but they are already dead. We mourn and move on.
“Society” should not assuage its collective grief by punishing those who didn’t do it. The killer is dead; it’s a little late to punish him. TS.
I suspect what Larry really meant (he can correct me if I’m wrong) is, “What are ‘we’ going to do to ensure it never happens again?” Generally, there are just a few options:
1. Ban and confiscate all firearms. That way, big, strong, psychotic guys can beat and kill anyone else with relative impunity. In fact, there’s no way to confiscate all the weapons. TS.
2. Mandatory daily doses of Haldol for everyone; every man , woman, child, ‘legal’ or otherwise; no exceptions. That takes care of that pesky human nature rooted in a a predatory evolutionary chain that allows for the occasional mental malfunction causing scumbags to prey on other humans. And we won’t even care about the consequences. Cool!
3. Recognize ‘that pesky human nature rooted in a a predatory evolutionary chain that allows for the occasional mental malfunction causing scumbags to prey on other humans’ and let individuals prepare for the possibility as they see fit, with whatever tools best suits them.
Some might say there’s a fourth option: disarming all civilians, forbidding defense, and leaving force in the hands of the cops. If you look carefully, you’ll see that’s really a subset of option 1.
Take your pick, Larry: Thugocracy, Chemical Utopia*, or responsibility.
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* I’ve seen what happens when a significant part of a population is drugged up to eliminate violent tendencies. It ain’t pretty. Think THX 1138, only nastier.
Outstanding, again. You must have a new bottle of B12 or something. 🙂
What I will do, as a tiny piece of society, is this: I will not go on a murder spree. Plus, I will do anything I can to prevent or stop any murder spree in my presence. Not sure what more a person could really do.
I didn’t care for the question as I read it originally from LarryA, but — there’s always the possibility that he meant it 1) rhetorically/frustratingly; or 2) as a think-piece.
The word “we” can be used a couple of ways, editorially, or with specific group in mind. I’m not convinced (yet) that Larry meant “Let’s all get together and force an action on America.” Nor can I believe (yet) that he expects government to do it for (or to) us.
He will have to elaborate before I judge his statement further, but I’m glad you blogged it, Claire. It was an excellent essay to think on. As far as I’m concerned, Kent’s answer will suffice.
What can we as a society do about it? Nothing? Some practical ideas do come to mind. Put quality doors and locks on classrooms. Steel core with a good deadbolt. Install an alarm system that informs students to take cover immediately. Fence schools with controlled access points. Only students, faculty and authorized visitors get in. Lots of practical things can be done by schools that are willing to do so, it only requires will, planning and some imagination.
But, that isn’t about society. When I consider society I think about people solutions, not government, not collective. What actions can we take individually that make a difference when the results come together? As a society we would have to look at root causes of the violence culture and work to turn that around. Have to work towards identifying real mental illness and finding treatment for same. Discuss the morality of the non-agression principal. Teach our youngsters the value of human life etc.
Excellent blogasaurus Claire!
I have no answers. Bad stuff happens. It always has and always will. I think that “society” as we have come to envision is has broken down into many “societies” of us versus them. I agree the current agenda is about manipulation and control by the power players, and all I can do personally is to live my life in a manner that minimizes my vulnerability to those things.
MamaLiberty Says:
October 13th, 2015
Outstanding, again. You must have a new bottle of B12 or something. 🙂
I think it’s the “or something”. And I’m glad to see it!
A very informative, imaginative and to the point response.
Maybe some will wake up and realize that they themselves are responsible for their protection.
At least I can dream.
Thanks Claire!
To LsrryA – In my comment above, I mistakenly wrote your name instead of Larry L’s. I realize that the original comment that inspired this blog was not made by you. I apologize.
People scream about guns killing people. Others talk about locking up killers and psychos. Yet a few days ago we read about the former college and pro football player who killed his cellmate while the two of them were locked up. Apparently this was done with bare hands. How was the cellmate safer with no guns present and the psycho locked up?
Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn – what ‘society’ will do or not do about it. I will keep my guns, blades, blackjacks and brass knucks, and will continue to carry some weapon or plural thereof on a daily basis as I have for over 50 years already. (Body count = 0, BTW). As for society – I was always a misfit (not by choice) and choose to be an outsider. The more I know about society the more I like my cats and pack of dogs, and seclusion. So I could care less what ‘society’ will do.
And gun whiners need to realize that there are over a hundred million of us – and maybe 140 million. That’s one of two people in the US. Gun owners are their co-workers, neighbors and relatives. We are all around them and everywhere they go – 24×7. And we haven’t killed them yet – though sometimes it’s tempting.
John LaDue strikes me as being cut from same cloth as both Comrade Duch and Albert Speer — and perhaps even Ted Kaczynski.
‘The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?’ (Jeremiah 17:9)
I’m with Karen on this. Bad stuff happens. Deal with it. End of discussion.
Outstanding post, Claire. My compliments to the chef!