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  1. Joel
    Joel July 11, 2013 6:31 am

    Oh, my god. The guy who posted that geolocate app must be hating life. I’ve never seen anything remotely like that gang-up. Read the five-star reviews, they’re hilarious.

  2. Matt, another
    Matt, another July 11, 2013 8:38 am

    I lived on about 1,200 calories a day for two years. I didn’t count them in detail, so it is just an estimate. It wasn’t a bug out situation so my experience was different than theirs. I was very active, worked out daily, ran 6 miles per day, walked another 4-6 miles per day and often worked 10-12 hours per day. Weather ranged from below zero tempatures to temps exceeding 100 and humidity in excess of 90%. I changed continents during that two years. Spent a couple days a week in heavy manual labor in all weather extremes.

    The biggest effect I saw was losing weight. I dropped about 15 lbs and held at a steady 170lbs. Only time I weighed less was after food poisioning. Overall health was maintained. I made sure to consume vitamin C and a multi vitamin each day. Food was based on Carbs, mostly ramen noodles, rice or oatmeal. I incorporated as much fresh vegetablse as I could afford, generally onions and carrots (almost always the cheapest vegetables). In the first year if there was meat it was hot dogs or chicken leg cooked in with the ramen noodles. It was a treat. The second year ( I was on a ranch in texas) The diet was supplemented by the odd rabbit or catfish. One could run out of both quickly if relying on them for subsitance. I don’t recall experiencing any of the health effects mentioned in the article, but it has been 20 years. I think they were suffering from Carb withdrawal more than a reduction of the calories.

    I do agree with the gist of the article though, that you really need to pack as much food and water as possible when preparing a bug out bag. Don’t get snooty about the make up of the food, when raw calories are needed, fats are your freinds. When long term storage stability is needed pasta and rice are great. Learn how to identify and forage for edible greens as you bug out.

  3. MamaLiberty
    MamaLiberty July 11, 2013 10:44 am

    The hover craft is too cool. Seems to me it would be a good thing for as many vehicles as possible. Save a jillion bucks on road building and repair. Must be a downside somewhere…

  4. Pat
    Pat July 11, 2013 11:14 am

    I agree with Matt, another that fats are your friend, tho’ I think fats work better long-term for endurance. I also agree that carb withdrawal probably was the problem, rather than number of calories.

    If you truly anticipate a radical lifestyle change, you’d better get (somewhat) used to it before survival period starts. Metabolisms are tricky and individual, and if you have an unknown health problem (or even if you don’t), your body won’t take kindly to change under stress.

    He may have quit too early, he probably could have gone on and done OK, stabilizing his tolerance levels as his body adjusted – but that wasn’t the proper way to test himself.
    Many people (especially men, if I may throw in a little sexism here) think if they’re in good shape, they won’t have any problems. It’s not always the body that messes you up, but the stress itself – the unnatural lifestyle, the adrenalin flucuations, the unexpected situations and uncertainty that hammer away at your insulin/sugar levels. Carbs will add to that yo-yo imbalance.

  5. Kevin Wilmeth
    Kevin Wilmeth July 11, 2013 3:22 pm

    Thanks Claire for the “Gun Geo Marker” giggle. The commentary is indeed a stitch. I think I even found a (single) un-ironic five-star review, among the 31 others at the time I looked. It’s lonely, next to the additional 1,600 one-star comments in just a couple of days–wow, what a launch, eh?

    Another thing that stuck out at me was the “About this App” metadata on the right-side of the Overview tab. At the bottom of that section it says “Content Rating: Low Maturity”. Buh-zing! 🙂

  6. ENthePeasant
    ENthePeasant July 11, 2013 3:59 pm

    I could probably write all day about nutrition and the affects on stress. But most people will not listen. We’re talking culture. It would be a good guess that if you told the average women she could lose 9 pounds in three days she’s not going to hear much about the potentially fatal problems with that. I’ve told people for years to pack tuna in oil (not water), at least four or five cans, and to have a small bottle of Olive Oil (others are probably just as good) in their packs. The idea is repugnant to most.

    Admittedly I don’t run these tests any longer but up until about 15 years ago it was routine to “backpack” with my BOB. As I aged things got real. I could get away with 2000 calories a day 30 years ago… but fifteen years ago it started becoming impossible to eat less than 3000. And water is even more of an issue as we age then food. It’s kind a a circular death trap. Carrying all that extra weight makes it even tougher. I may have been getting old… but I sure was slow.

    I know from studies done in Vietnam (and to a lesser extent, Korea) that autopsies on dead infantrymen almost always showed signs of malnutrition. The ones who weren’t considered malnourished had usually only been in country for less than a month. The army and Marines worked really hard at solving this problem but these poor kids become lethargic as exhaustion takes hold (about day three in the field) and quit eating. And that’s why I’m pretty sure that if you’re over 35 and on the road for longer than three days… it’s all gonna go wrong. It’s also pretty clear that no matter what we may think should happen, if you’re over 35 and have been out for close to a week, a FEMA camp with a bed and food will be a slam dunk in trade for your guns.

  7. winston
    winston July 11, 2013 6:22 pm

    Well just as someone who lifts a lot and has done stuff like eat jars of peanut butter with a spoon and down olive oil with a shot glass to gain body mass I gotta say that EN is pretty spot on…even most of the 1200ish calories in a modern MRE are just sugar…I mean the sickening “beverage base” drink is like 250 cals by itself of nothing but sugar and food coloring. When you have to live on those things for months you better get creative…pretty sure nobody except starving recruits on the crucible are going to eat every last bit of crap in them. Even if you do, 3 of those a day doesn’t usually cut it for truly strenuous life.

    All the high end camping stores nowadays tend to go in the other direction and provide overpriced “healthy” stuff to yuppies…my advice to anyone packing BOB food is to disregard sodium (which actually is needed you retain your hydration) and fat content (which helps keep your body from breaking down understress) and get as many useful calories in there as possible.

  8. smitty
    smitty July 12, 2013 3:40 am

    “When Kokesh posted the video, D.C. police and U.S. Park Police said they would investigate, because it is illegal to carry a loaded weapon in public in the District.”

    David Gregory was video recorded waving a high capacity magazine-illegal in D.C.-and wasn’t SWAT-raided, arrested, prosecuted…

    Equal justice for all…a quaint notion not practiced anymore.

  9. Paul Bonneau
    Paul Bonneau July 18, 2013 9:29 am

    I have to say, I don’t quite get the BOB concept.

    Yeah, it is possible something will happens that simultaneously 1) makes your automotive transportation unusable, and 2) requires you to leave your home, and 3) leaves no other resources such as aid agencies available to you. But how likely is that? Shouldn’t we worry about more likely threats first?

    Almost all my resources are at home. Why would I leave it? One of the great lessons of history is, “Don’t be a refugee.”

    I think the most likely crisis we face, if we don’t live in the hurricane-prone SE coast, is tyrannical action from the feds. We don’t need a BOB for that. We will still have our homes and cars. We just need BOBs for our Red Dawn paranoid fantasies. 🙂

    My BOB is the long, tall version of the Sprinter van that gets 25mpg loaded, along with a utility trailer and some stored diesel fuel…

    I will admit I could be wrong about all this, heh.

  10. Claire
    Claire July 18, 2013 10:10 am

    “Yeah, it is possible something will happens that simultaneously 1) makes your automotive transportation unusable, and 2) requires you to leave your home, and 3) leaves no other resources such as aid agencies available to you. But how likely is that? Shouldn’t we worry about more likely threats first?”

    Well, can’t speak for anybody else, but my BOB can either travel on its own wheels, on my back, or get tossed into a vehicle.

    And as I perceive it, the most likely local threat serious enough to merit a BOB is a Cascadia Zone megathrust quake followed by a tsunami (a danger for you, too, Paul?). This combo would make vehicle travel impossible and make staying home temporarily too dangerous — thus the BOB to get me into the hills and sustain me there for a few days. But heaven forbid, I have no intention of using the bag as an entree to primitive life.

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