Deciding when and whether to give trust is one of those endless dilemmas of the freedom movement. Well, of life, too, of course. But the decision to trust — or not — becomes a lot more vital when you might be doing something Authoritah disapproves of.
On the Internet, you’ll find a lot of pat advice about how to bestow trust — or not. Tell people only what they need to know. Isolate suspected informers. Etc. I’ve written some of that advice myself and read more of it. Some of the advice is sound, some stupid.
Ahem, mine of course is always of the sound variety. But speaking of stupid …
When illegal recreational drugs first became a thing, for instance, there was a widespread — but completely bonkers — belief that if you asked somebody, “Are you a narc?” and they said no, then if that person actually was a narc they could never, ever arrest you or testify against you. Ha! As we now know, cops and their freelance agents are as free as little birdies to lie to us. And lie and lie and lie again. Then cage us and feel virtuous about themselves. It’s only We the Peasants who are forbidden to lie to them.
Yet some people (now freedomistas more than drug users, I expect) still believe that if they ask, “Are you an informant?” Then the person asked can never legally inform on them after saying no.
Yikes! Some people.
But even sound advice (like that given in Rats! the no-snitch book) still requires enormous amounts of personal judgment, experience, and — face it — luck when you’re dealing with potentially threatening matters.
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Now, I hasten to assure Authoritah that I’m not Up to Anything. Of course not. Impossible. Never happen. Really.
But trust is on my mind today because I’ve concluded that a person recently in my sphere — somebody who has always behaved with impeccable honesty and honor toward me — is actually a deep-dyed liar.
I know he’s a braggart and a narcissist. This has been evident from the beginning. He’s the star of his own life, a life that’s been filled (as he tells it) with drama, tragedy, danger, remarkable achievement, and great adventure. He’s smarter, more ethical, and more capable than anyone he knows. He’s handsome and witty and street-smart and in his own eyes just generally a superior human being. All conversation with him is conversation about him, and he clearly finds every word of it fascinating.
We’ve all met people like this, of course. And they are not to be trusted. Ever. And no, I do not trust him. When he related to me the very first of his many dramatic life episodes, I filed it under “Well … maybe,” even though at that point I had no reason to consider him anything but a normal, decent person.
I am firmly of the “Trust, but verify” school.
As he has spun more and more tales, I’ve filed everything under, “Oh, gimme a break!” I haven’t yet caught him in one of those telling inconsistencies that definitively prove he’s lying, but it’s only a matter of time.
If you’ve dealt with this sort of person you’ll know as well as I do that tale-spinning narcissists always — always — display a host of other behavior problems. Maybe they’re unreliable workers. Or alcoholics. Or serial sexual cheaters. Or compulsive gamblers. They might embezzle funds from their job or stab friends in the back or be chronically two hours late (with lame excuses) or constantly connive to stick other people with their restaurant or bar tabs. But there’s always something, usually a whole gang of problematic behaviors, that warn, “This person is bad news.”
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The odddity about this particular guy is that, when not creating a past for himself worthy of an epic trilogy, his behavior is absolutely impeccable. He is widely admired and respected and he has earned that respect through clear-cut, decent actions.
Being really, really good while also being a phony is usually a sign of someone Seriously Up To No Good. It usually indicates said boastful fabulist is not merely the possessor of a garden-variety personality disorder but is a sociopath lining up potential victims.
In that case, though, I’d expect him to be too good, too ingratiating, and he’s not. I’d expect him to start probing for naive acts of trust from me, and he hasn’t.
This is a new sort of creature to me. I’m not sure what game he’s playing. But I’ll figure this out. I’m not looking for advice; just observing that the varieties of untrustworthiness are many. And such complications are why I take the Reaganite line “trust, but verify” and highly recommend it to others.
And, as a side thought, people are the world’s best reasons for other people to become hermits.
The dim possibility exists that he’s authentic. But I assume I’m being gamed and I game him in return by letting him think, for now, that I believe his tales. (I have reasons for not removing him from my life, BTW, and they’re good ones.) I assume he thinks I’m naive enough to buy his whole routine, while I’m watching him warily, amused by the fact that he thinks I’m impressed.
My position towards him is something like Kathy Bates’ in the famous “Towanda!” scene from Fried Green Tomatoes. He may be younger, faster, and sneaky, but “I’m older and I have more insurance.”
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In the freedom movement, we may not always be older (and let’s hope we’re not, because new generations should be rising vigorously to replace us as that happens). But if relationships in everyday life can be this “interesting,” then where seriously big issues and plans are at stake, we should always have the better insurance of being smart, watchful, wary, and non-naive.
Everyday life has enough odd and generally unreliable people in it. “Movements” attract many more of the same. Some are sincere people who just don’t have what it takes to function in a particular environment. Some are dirty, rotten, unforgivable rats. And some are unbalanced types who gravitate toward resistance precisely because they’re unbalanced. All of them require greater wisdom, balance, watchfulness, and (ultimately) decisiveness from the rest of us than we may need to use in safer circumstances.

Of course, if he reads the blog and is at all self-aware, he knows you’re onto him.
I have met similar animals, one fellow who actually was something of a local celebrity and well-connected, but not as it turned out as connected as he claimed to be. This proved costly.
I, too, knew a man like that. He had everything, except self-assurance.
(I always did like Kathy Bates. And that sloooow smile… others can do it, but no one does it better.)
It might just be me but my experience in observing those situations is that if the person in question isn’t some sort of narc trying to build a case, they are either after your money or trying to talk you into the sack. Be careful out there.
Pat: I adore Kathy Bates. “She’s behind me, isn’t she?”
“Of course, if he reads the blog and is at all self-aware, he knows you’re onto him.”
I always envision Claire as a secret rebel. Like, those in her daily life whom she hasn’t “let in” have no clue she’s anything other than a nice, maybe slightly eccentric lady with dogs who does artsy stuff while trying to keep her quaint house from falling down. “A blog? What’s that?”
“Being really, really good while also being a phony is usually a sign of someone Seriously Up To No Good.”
Or someone that is very well trained.
“(I have reasons for not removing him from my life, BTW, and they’re good ones.)”
Or someone that is very well trained. Need is important.
“Some are dirty, rotten, unforgivable rats. And some are unbalanced types who gravitate toward resistance precisely because they’re unbalanced.”
And some are very well trained.
Claire, I am not comfortable playing the undercover theme myself, as it’s in my nature to confront and/or avoid and therefore end! Not keeping me awake wondering if I was just waiting to be victimized. Forgive/forget/goodbye.
However, there are all styles of dealing with situations and I trust yours will work for you! Trust your instincts and watch your back.
Peace and Love,
Tahn
RustyGunner – And speaking of that…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vECzPHbn0Bo
If it looks like a duck…
If I had a physical red flag for every symbolic red flag I’ve ignored, I likely would have branded as a Communist a long time ago.
Pat: Bingo, clip #2, Bates as Her Majesty, unamused.
It was at the “Supper Club” where I screwed up with you, wasn’t it?
Have you considered the possibility that this person is actually a pretty decent person, but terribly insecure, and therefore masks this by self aggrandizement? This would account for all your observations. Not to say you should turn your back on them with pointy objects in hand, of course.
While also in the Trust but verify camp, I lean strongly towards the suggestions that Pat and Jeff make.
Does he know what you do? What you write about? That’s some pretty cool stuff.
He may just have lower than usual self-esteem, think he’s not worthy of your respect, and your respect is important to him. And, so, it starts with a few embellishments…….
“Of course, if he reads the blog and is at all self-aware, he knows you’re onto him.”
True, that. I’ll be pwned and I’ll have done it to myself!
But Kent seems to know me well. I keep a low profile in the home town and I don’t think this person has any idea …
Tahn, I also like either to confront and fix the problem or get the hell out. I will definitely limit my time with this person and my exposure to him.
A decent person with low self-esteem? Hm … possible, possible. But I don’t think decent people above the age of, say, 16, lie to impress others. Still … possible.
“It was at the “Supper Club” where I screwed up with you, wasn’t it?”
That’s it, Eric. Nineteen years later and I still hold it against you. 😉
So … Does this mean that you Don’t want to build a scow schooner and sail the tropics with dogs, chickens and a goat or two?
Drat.
(Sly grin and wink)
Watch your six and stay safe my friend,
the dread pirateer … uhm … capnIronic that many people who get involved in causes that are supposed to improve the world are difficult and/or dysfunctional. I have encountered quite a few. Or maybe they really were agents provocateur. I really wonder sometimes . . .
My advice is trust your gut-level feelings. If you have a hunch something is wrong about this person, follow that hunch and avoid them. I have found that gut-level feeling is always correct.
“But I don’t think decent people above the age of, say, 16, lie to impress others. Still … possible.”
No, DECENT people don’t – but who’s to say he’s “decent” just because he seems to be? That’s what lying is all about. Some people will go to great lengths to emulate a particular set of values they’ve decided are to their benefit in a society they’ve chosen to mingle with, or wish to be considered a part of. (Sorry for ending phrases with so many prepositions – my syntax seems to be lacking tonight.)
Claire listen to what you gut tells you. Your subconscious will pick up on things that your conscious will not.
“A decent person with low self-esteem? Hm … possible, possible. But I don’t think decent people above the age of, say, 16, lie to impress others. Still … possible.”
In my experience, yes people over 16 do lie, or exaggerate their accomplishments, because they’re insecure, as others have suggested above. I don’t find these folks dangerous in any way, but they do become total emotional energy vampires after a while. The gut feeling may very well telling you not to get close enough to allow them to drain you, even if it’s only emotionally.
I just recalled something I read in a book about self-defense and avoidance of crime: Not all liars are dangerous, but all dangerous people lie.