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  1. Jorge
    Jorge September 22, 2018 12:25 pm

    Uggh. OK. The only thing I do not understand is why she did not homeschool he kids after the first incident. He younger son is 1 year older than my younger daughter. Who has never been to school. Just never ever send children to school if you care about them and have any sort of brain.

  2. James
    James September 22, 2018 8:50 pm

    “Schooling” is appropriate for fish. Not for people.

    As C.S. Lewis said (don’t remember where), proper education is grownup birds teaching young birds to fly. Parents can read (let’s hope so)? Great; teach the kids to read. Parents can do math? Likewise. Parents’ ability to do math gets exceeded? Well, in a proper society with functioning extended families, there’s a grandparent or an uncle or an aunt or some other kin who can do (and teach) the math.

    Schools are simply factories of family destruction. Not only are they now, but have been, I think, for quite a long time. They’re just getting a little more brazen now. Not bothering to hide or disguise what they’re doing.

    Good comment thread on that linked article.

  3. E. Garrett Perry
    E. Garrett Perry September 23, 2018 11:39 am

    “Just Homeschool! If you don’t homeschool, then you don’t love your kids!”

    Horseshit.

    This was one of my great disputes with Susan Calloway, and one of the major reasons why I have not joined in the pangyrics surrounding her passing. She, like many Ancapistanis, seemed to believe that anyone who simply cared enough was absolutely able to relocate to BF-Nowhere, WY; homeschool their children; grow .25-.90% of their dietary and caloric needs in their backyard, and open carry whatever/whenever. Any falling short of this standard indicated a dearth of love, affection, and regard for one’s offspring, and she was quite blunt about this.

    Not everyone can afford to homeschool. Most people cannot afford private school. Prior to our move to the Czech Republic, my wife and I barely paid for daycare. We both worked full time, and overtime, at jobs which (combined) covered our bills, daycare, and a little savjngs each month. Only a six-figure inheritance changed that. How is a person, working the only job they could get, which only pays $8.00-10.50/hr, supposed to afford this? Homeschooling means writing off the working day- period. Without the ability for one partner to stay home and do the teaching (which means the other partner had better be grossing $50,000-$75,000/yr, minimum, considering bills and taxes), homeschooing Does. Not. Work.

    Oh? That’s why you move to BF-Nowhere, WY? And who’s gonna pay the bills while my family quits our jobs, packs, moves, finds a residence, finds new jobs…? You? Didn’t think so. Oh? Really? Anybody can do it if they just want it bad enough? Tellya what- wish into one hand, shit into the other, and feed your hungry kid from whichever hand fills up first.

    People who hollar “just homeschool! If you’re not homeschooling you don’t love your kids! Public education is child abuse!” are jackasses. Yes, public ed sucks. Hard. If I can save my daughter from attending it at all, I will. But for an awful lot of people, it’s their only option, if for no other reason that that Daddy left town years ago and Mama needs to go back to work.

    “But any Grandma can…!”

    Bullshit. Spend a few hour trolling the “justnomil” or “raisedbynarcissists” subreddits sometime. Read about the0 grandparents who kidnapped their kids, burned them with curling irons, intentionally exposed them to lethal allergens, pimped them out as toddlers, raised them to hate their parents or themselves, stabbed them, shot at them, and hired hitmen to kill them in front of their kids. Yes- every single one of these is a concrete example. Now tell the mother of one of these kids that she doesn’t love her child if she refuses to let Grandma, who thinks vaccines cause The Gay and that the proper cure for Asperger’s Syndrome is “more beatings, and hit her harder!”, care for the kids so Mom can work and the kids can be “homeschooled.”

    Homeschool is a wonderful thing, probably the best way there is to educate little ones. We do as much as we can. But Homeschool is simply not an option for the vast majority of parents, and we hurt the freedom movement when we act as if homeschooling were the final- indeed, prime- proof of a parent’s love and regard for their kids. You wanna turn a working parent OFF your idea, PDQ? Then tell them that their failure to follow your plan indicates they don’t love their kids. They’ll never heed another word you say.

    “Why didn’t you just homeschool?” is precisely the same sort of question as “Why don’t they just eat brioche?”

  4. Claire
    Claire September 23, 2018 2:35 pm

    “Why didn’t you just homeschool?” is precisely the same sort of question as “Why don’t they just eat brioche?”

    I also used to butt heads with Susan over her many forms of absolutism — and you and I aren’t the only ones who did. I could say a lot of negative things about her (as others could say many negative things about me). OTOH, not until she died did I realize how much influence she’d had, particularly with young people just entering the freedomista sphere.

    It seems that some of those absolute proclamations that we veterans perceived (rightly) as being without nuance and without regard for individual circumstances were real eye openers to many who’d never heard such statements before.

    I sympathize and agree with you, but ML had her place.

  5. Myself
    Myself September 23, 2018 3:04 pm

    I too had many differences with ML, and yes her absolutism* was annoying, but that doesn’t stop me from morning her passing and acknowledging the value she added to the freedomista community.

    * As to being opinionated and stubborn, those weren’t exactly unique to ML.

  6. E. Garrett Perry
    E. Garrett Perry September 23, 2018 3:25 pm

    She certainly did. I watched her tweaking noses at The Truth About Guns with no small pleasure. And I have no doubt that she turned a certain number of people on to Liberty in a way that nobody else could have. My gripe was always the absolutism. Absolutists, no matter how encouraging they try to be, always come across as bombastic, confrontational, and judgemental- I should know, used t’be one meself. She was telling the Truth, like a planetoid disturbing an asteroid belt. My question always was: which is greater? The number of people who were propelled towards Liberty by the impact of Ms. Calloway and others like her, or the number of those whom they drove away?

    However, when all’s said and done, she did live her convictions, unrealistic as their emulation might have been for others. For that, at least, I drink to her. May she be in Heaven half an hour e’er the devil knows she’s dead.

  7. Alan
    Alan October 5, 2018 12:30 am

    If you’re spending all day home schooling your kids, you’re doing it wrong. You’re simply recreating the government school method at home. At most, we spent an hour or two a day on “sit down and learn”. And that was only during the “learn to read, learn basic math” stages. One on one is WAY more efficient. Government school is just a plain waste of time. It’s daycare so you can generate income taxes for the tax parasites. It’s also abusive, as kids my wife and I both had very negative experiences in school.

    The rest was all unschooling. Want to teach fractions? Let’s make a 4/5 batch of cookies. The oldest didn’t have any formal schooling until he attended the local community college as a “concurrent enrollment high school student”. (I signed the papers as the parent, my wife as the principal.) He’s now a freshman in college. He’s interested in medical imaging.

    It is possible to do. It’s not the only way to do it but it is one. My wife and I both quit decent paying corporate jobs (with lots of room to grow) to be poor and raise our kids. We moved when our first boy was 1. Unfortunately, we spent about 6 months figuring out where we wanted to settle and didn’t have much savings left when we did.

    We now have 3 boys. 18, 15, and 12. She took care of them nearly full time, while starting and working an on call job and I started a mobile business. Let me tell you, that scheduling could get petty crazy before the kids could be left alone. We now operate 3 small businesses (We’re kicking around an idea for another.) and own a home but it was over ten years before we had a year that I brought in what I was making before. (Less than your $50K, too.) Between the two of us we probably average about 4-6 hour work days. Mostly me, just the nature of our division of labor. We could work more and have more money but why quit your job to have more time with you kids just to spend it all working? So we’re still “poor”.

    All that said, it wasn’t enough to want to, we decided to.

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