- Strange bedfellows. But I’d be willing to commit a whole lot of unnatural acts with the ACLU as long as they’re on our side on guns and databases.
- Great idea for great activists. And great use of the power of social media. Sure, the thugs could rip the bracelet off, but surely this would give them pause.
- Maybe you have to know the people and place involved, but I think this video from Joel and Friends is a screaming hoot.
- Let’s just say you had one of these. But in semi-auto. With quite a few extras. (Here’s a more thorough description.) And you wanted to sell it — legally but preferably privately. And unfortunately most of the people in your area were either a) broke or b) bolt-action hunting rifle kinda guys. How would you go about it?
- The “nuclear option” for Facebook privacy. Well, not really. The real nuclear option for Facebook privacy is (as many here know) avoid Facebook. But if you want to log in so you can do things like “like” Ragnar’s Freedom Outlaw page, then the above is the lower-megaton nuke option.
Speaking of the Freedom Outlaw page, I stole this typical bit of wonderfulness from it. Can’t know whether it’s truth or legend, but it could be truth, with the right pack of daring young men. So enjoy. And yeah … “Go, Aussies!”:
Given that the “authorities” are the most likely kidnappers of most activist, I don’t understand the GPS bracelet idea.
As I read it, alerting the authorities was not much more than a passing remark. There’s no mention of the bracelet itself “alerting authorities.” I’s designed to alert everybody else, in order to turn the light of social media on the authoritarian thugs who (you so rightly note) are likely to be some sort of Authoritah, themselves.
To sell the rifle, I would personally use gunbroker.com. I have used that site for a number of years and find it to be a safe way to buy and sell firearms and magazines (the things eBay bans).
It is not a common rifle, so I would set a reserve. The site does get a large volume of buyers, so you should be able to sell a rifle that way and get a fair price.
Here’s an example of a similar one for sale (just an example to show what someone else is offering and asking): http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=335637464
Thanks, G.W.F. — But using Gunbroker means the sale goes in a government database. Not good. This is a gun that deserves to be kept and used in freedom.
Keeping the sale private is harder. I did not realize that was the goal. I just thought you were trying to get it in front of the most buyers and get the best price. If you want a private transfer, I’d probably try a Gun Show:
http://www.gunshows-usa.com/washington.shtml
it used to be common for folks to just pin a little flyer on their back with the asking price, then just walk around with it. With the current demand for guns, I would say you would have no problem finding a buyer in your state, and local transfers don’t require any paper trail.
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Aww thanks Claire! I instantly thought of you and “monkey-wrenching” when I came across that Aussie story.
Hilarious! Couldn’t you use photocopies of the mayor’s husband or judge’s wife’s personal car plates or something rather than actually stealing them? Just askin’, theoretically and all.
Claire,
If private sales are legal for you, do what GWF sez. Make up a flag that has the essentials and price and stick it into the barrel of the rifle with a little dowel or something. Then walk the show slowly with the rifle slung over your shoulder. Make the flag up ahead of time, pay the admission for the show, and allow them to cable tie your rifle (SOP for bringing a gun into a show). Once in, stick the flag into the barrel, and look happy. At every table that has guns or ammo stop and talk for a while.
You could also rent a table….out here its about 60 dollars. Heck, get a case or two of your books, and sell ’em. Put the rifle on the table with price and essentials. Bring a oily rag to wipe it down after somebody handles it…its good showmanship. You can sell other things, also. I’ve seen folk selling sliver coins, memorabilia, etc…….
Oh yeah. Before you sell the rifle to anybody, get a drivers license from them, write down the numbers on it and their name. I just buy a cheap receipt book at a office supply. Hand the buyer the ‘carbon’ copy. This will ensure that you did ‘due diligence’ in selling to a state resident. YOU CANNOT SELL TO AN OUT OF STATE RESIDENT LEGALLY. ATF has been known to work gunshows looking for things like that. You can only sell long guns like this….not handguns. Handguns need a FFL to bless the transfer.
Good Luck.
Ummm… I assumed that it was you wanting to sell the rifle….big assume. It could apply to anybody except for the books….
UnReconstructed: Federal law does not require private handgun sales to go through an FFL. Some states might.
Claire: if the rifle is currently owned in CO, I might be willing to give it a good home.
Re: GPS bracelets.
Not much of an idea. While it would inform someone been taken, it won’t do much for locating that someone. All they’d have to do is break it off enroute to somewhere and throw it out the car window. And they will get it off one way or another.
UnReconstructed, no FFL involvement is required for a private sale of ANY gun here in Wyoming. And demanding to see a “driver’s license” would probably cancel the sale immediately. I suspect that’s true in a lot of places.
Most folks around here would ignore it, even if such nonsense was made “law.”
The “law,” sir… is an ass.
I stand corrected. It is this way where I live, and I thought, wrongly, that the infamous Brady bill mandated this. Long gun sales are legal between private individuals, in my state, all handgun sales must go through a FFL. It is this way in several states.
ML, the law may be an ass, but I am not gonna be busted by ATF for failing to conduct due diligence with strangers at a gunshow. Wyoming is obviously otherwise.
I admire your point of view from atop your tall horse.
However, I would point you to this:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#gca-unlicensed-transfer
You can conduct your affairs as you see fit. I, personally, have little desire to become a roommate for Bubba. So, when I sell a firearm at a gun show, I ask to see a drivers license….this ensures that the sale is made to someone in state. I was advised by the promoter of the gun show to do this.
Now if someone wants to sell a gun to anybody that offers money at a gun show, that is no concern of mine. ATF *does* work gun shows.
So, ML, you just go right ahead…..rent a table at a gun show and sell whatever you want to whomever you want.
Hi Claire,
http://www.armslist.com is a great place to buy and sell privately. Just pick your state and post an ad.
sdb — That looks like a super resource! Easy to search, lots of activity. Yeah … looks like a great place for both buying and selling.
UnReconstructed, never once said anything about a “gunshow.” 🙂 That’s the last place I’d buy OR sell a gun these days. And I feel the same about on-line sales.
Managed to avoid “bubba” for 66 years now – 58 of those in So. Calif… and probably will for a bit longer. It takes some effort and forethought to keep out of their way… but it can be done.
I just hate to see good folks think they have to bow and scrape as if the tyrant’s “law” was somehow sacred. It’s not… and all of us outlaws prove it every day. 🙂
ML – I’ve had at least two “fishy” sales in the past year, both times where asking for a quick peek at a driver’s license brought a sudden stunning admission that the would-be buyer was actually a Washington resident. The ATF doesn’t just work gun shows, they also look over gun sales lists and classifieds and will often try and set up illegal purchases – particularly in busy border towns, such as the Portland/Vancouver area. I have no interest in writing stuff down, but when I sell I do ask buyers for a quick look at an Oregon DL. Yep, it may squirrel up a sale now and then – but I’d rather lose a sale than go to Sheridan. Your own mileage may vary on that risk assessment, of course. 😀
ML, indeed you didn’t say anything about a gunshow. I ass-u-med, because that was the context. I retract the comment about the lofty equine.
I do gunshows, and online as well. out there it pays to be very careful. the web of laws is so thick that its really hard to keep track of what one might run afoul of.
Gunshows are a great place to buy and sell….online is a wonderful way to get in touch with hundreds of willing and able buyers with money in their pockets.
Heh. Nice vid, Joel. I will occasionally watch an episode of Rat Patrol on YouTube, for some mindless amusement. I recommend working in a female member of the French Resistance.
Nice monkeywrench on the plate camera too.
Some years ago the anti’s here in Oregon were able to get a measure on the ballot that would require sales at gun shows go through an FFL.
Unfortunately it passed.
I have always been terrified of the background checks and was amazed to see the ACLU find the same problem that I did–if the background checks are kept (I doubt seriously that they would be destroyed as they say), it would constitute a national registry no matter what. For once I can ALMOST see the ACLU as doing something good if they protect us from that.
Craving carbs?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=_Qu6d0lE1z8
😀
I do not believe in asking the gov. for permission to purchase a firearm, go to church, publish something on the net or any thing else that is listed in the Bill of Rights.
However, I would prefer to have a bill of sale from a gun seller, with serial number, to show a time dated transfer of a non stolen firearm. I accept responsibility for it at that point. If I would ever sell a gun, I would certainly do the same for a buyer and to show when it left my responsibility.
Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t buy without a bill of sale if I knew the seller.